There are two big questions we don’t talk about enough in ministry:

1. How do I prepare now for the next 20 years of leadership and life?
2. What do I do with the pain I’ve already walked through?

In Episode 189 of the Fly on the Wall Podcast, I sit down with Pastor Jonathan for a powerful, vulnerable conversation on both. We talk about financial readiness, family rhythms, spiritual obedience—and the emotional toll ministry can take when betrayal and burnout hit home.

You’ll hear:

• What it looks like to prepare for your second chapter—whether that’s retirement or a new way to lead
• Why obedience matters more than “balance” in family life
• A simple heart-check to evaluate if you’re really walking in spiritual health
• How I’ve processed deep wounds from people I trusted
• Why coaching, forgiveness, and leadership clarity matter now more than ever

Whether you're in a season of building, rebuilding, or looking ahead—this conversation will challenge you to lead with intentionality and finish well.

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Fly on the Wall Podcast, presented by Church Boom, takes pastors into a live coaching session with Chris Sonksen, CEO & Founder of Church Boom. Each episode features a pastor, just like you, as they share the challenges they face and get practical advice on how to overcome them.